21 February 2006
Eio Eng Hua
wrote (21 February 2006, 1422 hours):
Liang Juan - It is understood that no one
will want "something bad" to be done to him by others.
Therefore, it goes without saying that everyone expects
"something good" from others and if that happens, the person
receiving good things or assistance should reciprocate if he
behaves rationally. I think we are seeing the same thing from
opposite ends of the pole.
David Han Liang Juan
wrote (21 February 2006, 1334 hours):
Mike, I have attended more lunches than you
can remember. Some times when we are being "volunteered" into
some fuzzy organisation to handle an assignment, time is no
longer our own but by the needs of the processes of the
assignment. Just like I am leaving for Ho Chi Minh City to guide
a flock of 56 companies under the Singapore Pavilion at an
Industrial Exhibition. But by being at the luncheon doesn't mean
that we have to eat a lot just to get you money's worth. It is
the company of those we meet at the lunches that makes me attend
them. To me, if you eat more then you are reducing the credits
in your "makan in your life" easylink account. Once the account
is zero, you die. Plain and simple. Once you get a lot of
sickness, your credits in your "health" easylink accounts is
depleted quickly and when this is zero, you die. But if you
still have much credits in you "Makan" and "Health" easylink
account BUT your time left in you time-life easylink account
reaches you also die. So it all depends which of the 3 accounts
you deplete first. Best is to have 3 deplete to zero about the
same time, then you would have got the maximum in life. Any good
you do to others will not increase in the credits in any of your
accounts. It only makes you feel good as a fellow human being.
David Han Liang Juan
wrote (21 February 2006, 1317 hours):
Hi Eng Hua,
I am glad you are not tired of living. Life
is best when we have a positive outlook. You may have been
mistaken when you said that you agree that "we should do to
others what we want others do to us...". I DO NOT
agree to that philosophy. I said that we should do good to
others and not be bad to others, and DO NOT do good
hoping for the returns. If we do anything hoping for the same to
be done to us then we are really do good to others for our own
sake. That's a very pitiful state of being a living person.
Don't expect "Karma" in life. And my creators are my parents.
wrote (21 February 2006, 1034 hours):
David, regarding your good advice about not
over-eating, no wonder you seldom attend our ACS59 lunches
nowadays. I think I shall comply and not attend the
buffet-lunches anymore, where one tends to overeat to get one's
money worth. Good advice for the overeaters like Pete (guess
who?) to follow... eat till you are 75% full and then stop!!!
Look away from the lobster, fillet steak, etc.
wrote (21 February 2006, 1015 hours):
David, 63 yr old eyes can,t read your small
print... please increase font size at AA above.
Some interesting stats:
(1) In aboutt 99 years, all those presently
living including all the powerful leaders, beautiful Hollywood
stars, even your new-born grandkids will have succumbed to
(2) Only 10% of humans who ever lived since man first walked
this planet, are now alive and kicking. So if the present
population is aboutt 5 billion, there were about 50 billion
progenies of Adam and Eve, if you believe the Bible, or of Mr
and Mrs Apeman, if you believe Darwin.
Although I was a born-again Christian during
my impressionable teen years back in the 50s, I am now an
agnostic like LKY, GCT and LHL, the 3 most powerful men here.
No, I did not follow them blindly but my life experiences
through the decades plus reading books like "Why I am not a
Christian" by Bertram Russell and "Farewell to God" by Charles
Templeton, the former Billy Graham of Canada, made me give up my
belief/faith for a freer, inquiring mind.
I always like to quote Kerry Packer the
richest Aussie who years ago experienced after-life for 10
minutes when his heart stopped beating: "The good news is, there
is no Hell. But the bad news is, there is no Heaven either".
Boys and Girls, here's to Life, and while
we're alive, Cheers!!!
Eio Eng Hua
wrote (20 February 2006, 2140 hours):
Hi, Liang Juan (David),
Thank you for your response to my subject, "A
frightening thought". I enjoyed reading your line of argument.
If you have read my e-mail carefully, you will note that I did
mention, "We did not choose to be born". So, that answers your
As for the song, "My treasures are laid up
for beyond the blue", it simply means that heaven is a much
better place than earth. We are not talking about gold and
silver as described in "Treasure Island"!
Answering your question, "How do you know the
Bible is telling the truth"? Well, I accept by faith that what
the Scriptures teach is true. I respect your conviction of not
believing what I believe. That's okay because you may have good
reasons for taking such a position. On the issue of good works,
I do agree that "we should do to others what we want others to
do to us." Likewise, the other way round. Concerning health, I
always advocate, "Eat to live but don't live to eat!" A good
advice from our Dr. Tan Kim Ping, "Eat several meals a day but
take only small portion each time."
Your ending words seem to suggest that I am
tired of living. I am not a pessimist. I always look at the
bright side and I enjoy every moment of my life.
David Han Liang Juan
wrote (20 February 2006, 1828 hours):
Why be so troubled by asking why we are born
in the first place. Since we are already in uniform from the
liquid form by actions taken by our parents, who are we to ask.
Just take it that we are the fruit of a moment of love and we
are here to enjoy the time we have until the last bit of air
leaves our lungs. If we are not here to enjoy our being here why
are so much money and effort being expanded to bring joy and fun
to more and more people? Why do we start tour and resort
business to entice people to have fun on this "earth". I hope
you will not really literally believe that there will be after
life and that your "treasures are laid up, for beyond the blue".
By then you will never know whether you will still be able to
enjoy the treasures after death. How do you know that that will
come true? Why not enjoy all you can now and to treat death as
the end of your being on earth. Who has been there and told you
that he/she were able to reap the treasures after death? And
don't tell me that the bible tells you so. Who said that what is
said in the bible is true? Only those who is a believer or one
who is trying to preach his belief. Same as the fruit seller who
will almost always tell you that the sunkist orange he sells is
I believe that we should do good to others.
But not because that will give me good after life or that this
will beget goodness from others. I do it just to give those less
fortunate a little happiness. I also believe that we should not
do evil to others not because of fear of getting the same back
at me. Look at what Bush is doing. He does evil to others but
calls it liberation and human rights. But when it is done to
him, it is the act of devil! A real hypocrite!
Back to what I am trying to say - you have
only so much time to live and so much to eat. When your time is
up you will die. If you ill-treat your body you will have less
time. You have only so much to eat in your life. So If you eat a
lot at each time you will finish your quota and will die sooner.
So the trick is to balance the time given, the way you treat
your body (health wise) and the amount you eat, you will have an
optimum life. Instead of spending time pondering when you will
die, spend time to do good to others and most important to
yourself, eat wisely and enjoy each day to the fullest, for you
do not know whether you will see the next sunrise. Live on my
Eio Eng Hua
wrote (20 February 2006, 1742 hours):
Mike - You are asking a theological question
which is not easily answered. The matter of "Life after death"
is a deep subject as different religion holds different views.
Even scientists do not agree among themselves what goes beyond
this life. I am no theologian, religious scholar or scientist. I
can't comment on the religious beliefs or evolution theories
held by others. I can only tell you that Christians put their
trust on what the Bible teaches about eternal life - i.e.
salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
wrote (20 February 2006, 1644 hours):
Please read my post again....... your
sentiments same as mine!
I only object to your statement that only
Christians will have a good after-life. So what happens to
non-Christians like agnostics, buddhists, muslims etc?
Eio Eng Hua
wrote (20 February 2006, 1334 hours):
Mike, I feel sad to be branded as a "grouch".
Actually, I believe in facing reality. No point trying to
bluff yourself. All of us are travelling along this earthy
road which must come to an end - the lucky ones will reach the
"finish line" later, and that's it!
There is however, a brighter side of things.
We must be thankful that we are now in our 60s. Each time
I read about young people dying from natural disasters, disease
and wars, I feel I have cheated life by 30 or 40 years! We
must not forget those of our classmates who had gone over "the
other shore" long before us (see
Class of 59/61 directory).
Indeed, our destinies are in the hands of the
Creator. So, let's be happy and meet more often to have
lunch, dinner or even breakfast!
wrote (20 February 2006, 1224 hours):
Here comes the kaypoh Mike Chan!
Eng Hua, did you realise you are one of the
grouches mentioned in TPSoon's list (point # 2), to avoid at all
My philosophy of life.....death is part of
life. The minute you are born, you are doomed to die some 3-4
decades later. I read a scientific magazine last month that
those born in the 'noughties' (2000 onwards) have a good chance
of being centenarians due to ongoing medical breakthroughs
etc... and that includes your grandkids. Our bodies and organs
inside are not made to last a century as they break down due to
wear and tear and accidents. I now have 2 permanent stainless
steel screws each 1.5 inch long screwed thru my right tibia and
fibula to ensure they stay aligned after my fall downstairs.
When you age, your bones get brittle... be careful not to fall
especially if you are fat and tall and always hold the
balustrade or railing when you climb up/down stairs. My mistake
was to saunter down my stairs to answer an urgent phone-call as
I have been doing for decades..... this time kena brought to my
senses that I'm 63 going on 64 and not 35!
Do you realise that we all have to die in
order to make way for our children, grandkids and progenies for
living space, jobs, food, shelter etc? We are lucky as long as
we have kids to carry on our good genes and to live vicariously
through them. With about 20 years or so left in every acs59
cohort's life (all of us above), please remember these:
(1) Forgive and forget
(2) Dun sweat the small stuff---- wasting time and mental
(3) Be happy and do the best for your kids and grandkid.
Eio Eng Hua
wrote (20 February 2006, 1109 hours):
This morning I received news that the wife of
a close friend of mine has passed away. It was only during the
recent Chinese New Year that I visited her and she was still
alive. I now ask myself, "When is my turn?!"
Some people ask this question, "If we know
that we will die someday, why bother to be born in the first
place?" Of course, the answer is "We did not choose to be born."
Others will lament, "Death is the end of life, ah, why should
life all labour be? Eat, drink and be merry for we may not live
to see tomorrow."
Fortunately, for Christians, we can sing this
song, "This world is not my home, I am just a passing
through. My treasures are laid up, somewhere beyond the blue."
Tan Poh Soon
wrote (20 February 2006, 1022 hours):
HOW TO STAY YOUNG
Throw out nonessential numbers.
This includes age, weight and height.
Let the doctors worry about them.
That is why you pay them.
Keep only cheerful friends.
The grouches pull you down.
(keep this in mind if you are one of those grouches;)
Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening, whatever.
Never let the brain get idle.
"An idle mind is the devil's workshop."
And the devil's name is Alzheimer's!
Enjoy the simple things.
Laugh often, long and loud.
Laugh until you gasp for breath.
And if you have a friend who makes you laugh, spend lots and
Lots of time with HIM/HER.
The tears happen:
Endure, grieve, and move on.
The only person who is with us our entire life, is ourself.
LIVE while you are alive.
Surround yourself with what you love:
Whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies,
Your home is your refuge.
Cherish your health:
If it is good, preserve it.
If it is unstable, improve it.
If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.
Don't take guilt trips.
Take a trip to the mall, even to the next county, to a foreign
country, but NOT to where the guilt is.
Tell the people you love that you love
them, at every opportunity.
And if you don't send this to at least four people - who
cares? But do share this with someone.